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Ozma Discussion => Ozma Discussion => : butterfly September 13, 2006, 01:53:37 -08:00

: daniel = ozma ?????
: butterfly September 13, 2006, 01:53:37 -08:00
im not sure if i do share the same opinion with anyone, but the way i see it,
daniel = ozma just like how we see rivers = weezer.

i mean, the moment i hear daniel sang straight flush, i tell myself this is an ozma song, but when i hear ryen in barriers...i don't have that same effect in me.

but, that's just my opinion
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: yoshigaki September 13, 2006, 02:24:17 -08:00
Indeed that is just your opinion.
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: WhoYouCallinWeez September 13, 2006, 05:51:48 -08:00
yea thats mostly right. when i heard barriers i was laughing i disliked it so much, i love straight flush, but barriers is laughable. so i equate good ozma with daniel, anyways.
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: Not Jason September 13, 2006, 08:14:46 -08:00
I think Ryen is far more essential to Ozma than you guys are realizing.  It's true that he's responsible for a few of my least favorite Ozma tracks, but if you go down through a list of the all time great songs, I think you'd be shocked by how many of them Ryen either wrote or cowrote.  Dan's contributions might be equal to or greater than Ryen's (I don't know this for a fact) but if you pull out Ryen, you loose a sensibility that is at the essence of Ozma's sound.  I might also wager that Ryen has a better sense for for vocal melodies than Dan does.  They've got their stregnths and weaknesses, but if you pull out Ryen, you get Dan solo, and that's not Ozma, at least not in my opinion.
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: WhoYouCallinWeez September 13, 2006, 04:26:38 -08:00
no i agree with that, and Ryen does wail on the geetar, but i dont like him at the forefront, but in collaboration with Dan, they do great things, agreed.
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: funwithsponges September 13, 2006, 04:50:38 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 13, 2006, 08:14:46 -08:00
It's true that he's responsible for a few of my least favorite Ozma tracks

Out of curiosity, which?
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: yoshigaki September 13, 2006, 04:53:08 -08:00
Bad Dogs, mostly.  I'd say.
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: CT-700 September 13, 2006, 05:09:42 -08:00
You know I never liked Bad Dogs but lately I've noticed its really a pretty rocking song. Lately its one of the ones I look foward to on Spending Time.
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: WhoYouCallinWeez September 13, 2006, 05:32:07 -08:00
hell yea bad dogs rocks
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: Rome September 13, 2006, 06:34:42 -08:00
daniel = ozma just like how we see rivers = weezer.

Not even close.
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: Colt45 September 13, 2006, 07:26:57 -08:00
: Rome  September 13, 2006, 06:34:42 -08:00
daniel = ozma just like how we see rivers = weezer.

Not even close.


IAWTP
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: savewhatyouare September 13, 2006, 08:40:53 -08:00
i always thought ryen and dan are a lesser version of paul and john. They both have different styles, and when they are merged, they become something better than if they wrote the song outside of their duality.
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: Fantastic Max September 13, 2006, 09:38:48 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 13, 2006, 08:14:46 -08:00
I think Ryen is far more essential to Ozma than you guys are realizing.Ã,  It's true that he's responsible for a few of my least favorite Ozma tracks, but if you go down through a list of the all time great songs, I think you'd be shocked by how many of them Ryen either wrote or cowrote.Ã,  Dan's contributions might be equal to or greater than Ryen's (I don't know this for a fact) but if you pull out Ryen, you loose a sensibility that is at the essence of Ozma's sound.Ã,  I might also wager that Ryen has a better sense for for vocal melodies than Dan does.Ã,  They've got their stregnths and weaknesses, but if you pull out Ryen, you get Dan solo, and that's not Ozma, at least not in my opinion.
Exactly. Thank you.

: savewhatyouare  September 13, 2006, 08:40:53 -08:00
i always thought ryen and dan are a lesser version of paul and john. They both have different styles, and when they are merged, they become something better than if they wrote the song outside of their duality.
Haha, lesser in what sense? Tinier penises? Haha.

But yeah, I've always thought that too.
I've always viewed Dan as kind of the Lennon, the seemingly more artsy one.
And Ryen as more of the McCartney, always wanting to play, rock out, do the fun songs.

But together, I agree, they're a helluva lot more Samuel. Harmonies, switching-off's..whatever it might be. Callaboration is key.
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: Not Jason September 13, 2006, 10:43:06 -08:00
: funwithsponges  September 13, 2006, 04:50:38 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 13, 2006, 08:14:46 -08:00
It's true that he's responsible for a few of my least favorite Ozma tracks

Out of curiosity, which?

"Bad Dogs" is the one that comes immediately to mind.  It's not that it's a bad song persay, but I was only ever lukewarm on it.  Off of spending time, I was also never a fan of "Your Name", also a ryen track.  In all fairness though, I fucking hate "Utsukushii Shibuya", which, though credited to both, seems kind of Dan heavy.

Good examples of Ryen doing well is his collaborative work with dan on "Gameover", which I'm under the impression he did the music from (based on dan's comments on the acoustic version from KUCI)

and yes, I'm currently looking at the liner notes of Spending Time.
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: butterfly September 14, 2006, 12:12:48 -08:00
i agree with the fact that when they both put the work together, they make good music...
i mean, how often do you listen to an album and enjoyed every single tracks in it? As far as im concern, every track in every ozma album stands out but,

Speaking of good music, when i heard barriers, i dun think the new sound they're approaching could even beat HelloGoodbye.
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: Not Jason September 14, 2006, 12:41:30 -08:00
I personally don't understand the Barriers bashing.  Like I said in the other thread, it feels like it's incomplete to me, and it's not perfect (yet), but there are some really awesome parts in that song.
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: Lando_Calrissian September 14, 2006, 12:47:49 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 14, 2006, 12:41:30 -08:00
I personally don't understand the Barriers bashing.Ã,  Like I said in the other thread, it feels like it's incomplete to me, and it's not perfect (yet), but there are some really awesome parts in that song.

It has some very good bits, but I find it dull on the whole. I can't see how it could be greatly improved, but then I'm not a talented musician.
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: I like ozma September 14, 2006, 10:30:02 -08:00
i think i can agree that dan can probably write better songs on his own, but missing either of them, ozma wouldnt be ozma
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: parker September 14, 2006, 11:25:39 -08:00
I like Ryen's singing better than Dan's.
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: Not Jason September 14, 2006, 11:50:59 -08:00
: Lando_Calrissian  September 14, 2006, 12:47:49 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 14, 2006, 12:41:30 -08:00
I personally don't understand the Barriers bashing.Ã,  Like I said in the other thread, it feels like it's incomplete to me, and it's not perfect (yet), but there are some really awesome parts in that song.

It has some very good bits, but I find it dull on the whole. I can't see how it could be greatly improved, but then I'm not a talented musician.

well, think of it this way:  why is it dull?  for me, it's dull because it doesn't really go anywhere, towards the end it's just a bunch of choruses strung together, and though it's a good chorus, that's always a formula for boring.  I think all they need to do is write some more parts too it, like a real bridge to really devide things up in the end, and it would be really good.
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: Fantastic Max September 15, 2006, 12:47:36 -08:00
I almost wish they'd just wait awhile, and release a whole album before we can bash it, because I feel like we're gonna bash every 'demo' they put up, haha.
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: Not Jason September 15, 2006, 11:55:32 -08:00
: Fantastic Max  September 15, 2006, 12:47:36 -08:00
I almost wish they'd just wait awhile, and release a whole album before we can bash it, because I feel like we're gonna bash every 'demo' they put up, haha.

Well, dan said they wanted to get stuff up so they don't lose momentum, and it makes sense.
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: I like ozma September 15, 2006, 02:12:40 -08:00
i like that they are doing it one song at a time. and the songs are good, they just arent good OZMA songs
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: jvstin September 15, 2006, 02:22:45 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 15, 2006, 02:12:40 -08:00
i like that they are doing it one song at a time. and the songs are good, they just arent good OZMA songs
uhm... who are you to say something like that?
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: I like ozma September 15, 2006, 03:18:39 -08:00
an ozma fan
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: jvstin September 15, 2006, 04:08:29 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 15, 2006, 03:18:39 -08:00
an ozma fan
cunt's more like it


edit: i misread your post, but you're still a cunt. if you can admit that they're good songs, why not give ozma the credit they're due for writing good new (OZMA) songs? they're the ones who wrote them in the first place. there's a difference between (your definition of) 'good' and (the universal definition of) 'classic' ozma. i'm sure these new ones will become classics in their own right. that's how it was with "spending time" when it came out...Ã,  Ã, 
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: gloom-glaam September 15, 2006, 04:10:31 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 14, 2006, 10:30:02 -08:00
i think i can agree that dan can probably write better songs on his own, but missing either of them, ozma wouldnt be ozma
no
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: kellygo September 15, 2006, 06:59:14 -08:00
I think Dan and Ryen are essential to OZMA. They create such a wonderful balance of greatness! I love most of Ryen's songs and most of Dan's songs. I saw Ryen play with The Rentals and he is an Samuel guitar player, not only on an OZMA track. I also enjoy Dan's solo album. They come together to create this great musical collaborative effort we know as OZMA.   
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: Kyosho September 16, 2006, 04:04:10 -08:00
: savewhatyouare  September 13, 2006, 08:40:53 -08:00
i always thought ryen and dan are a lesser version of paul and john. They both have different styles, and when they are merged, they become something better than if they wrote the song outside of their duality.

Samuel and I have discussed this many times. To me (and Sam), Ozma is Dan and Ryen together. The rest of the band can be left out (even Jose if we're really hard-pressed, sorry). That said, seperate they are both still awesome. So I don't quite agree with you there. Together, though, is like you said. The merging of styles. And I think that's what really makes Ozma great and unique.
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: CT-700 September 16, 2006, 06:43:13 -08:00
: Kyosho  September 16, 2006, 04:04:10 -08:00
: savewhatyouare  September 13, 2006, 08:40:53 -08:00
i always thought ryen and dan are a lesser version of paul and john. They both have different styles, and when they are merged, they become something better than if they wrote the song outside of their duality.

Samuel and I have discussed this many times. To me (and Sam), Ozma is Dan and Ryen together. The rest of the band can be left out (even Jose if we're really hard-pressed, sorry). That said, seperate they are both still awesome. So I don't quite agree with you there. Together, though, is like you said. The merging of styles. And I think that's what really makes Ozma great and unique.


What, no love for the Immigration Song? Thats in my top 5 Ozma songs. Perhaps top 3.
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: yoshigaki September 16, 2006, 07:13:51 -08:00
I'll second the Immigration Song comment, and also, point out that you definitely could not leave out Jose, considering his presence on stage.  And then if we consider Jose based on stage presence, everyone else has to be included because they all have their quirks, also.
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: jvstin September 16, 2006, 07:25:04 -08:00
i feel that jose brings that kind of energy to their studio material too. anyone could play rhythm guitar (almost), but jose's playing is vital to ozma's signature sound. plus, he co-wrote a lot of ozma tunes.
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: Not Jason September 17, 2006, 01:24:05 -08:00
based on Immigration Song, I would love to see Jose write more material for Ozma.
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: The Other Mike September 17, 2006, 08:18:05 -08:00
Man, weezer fans sure do provide the most insightful and interesting topics for discussion.   :P



I like to think that weezer fans can't discuss anything without comparing it to weezer.

"man, this pizza is good in the same way that pinkerton is good."
"my fantasy football team is so succesful, it is like the blue album."
"man, your farts smell like maladroit."
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: simpleton September 17, 2006, 08:44:58 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 17, 2006, 08:18:05 -08:00

"man, this pizza is good in the same way that pinkerton is good."

(http://forum.weezer.de/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif)
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: brad September 17, 2006, 12:22:06 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 17, 2006, 08:18:05 -08:00
Man, weezer fans sure do provide the most insightful and interesting topics for discussion.Ã,  Ã, :P



I like to think that weezer fans can't discuss anything without comparing it to weezer.

"man, this pizza is good in the same way that pinkerton is good."
"my fantasy football team is so succesful, it is like the blue album."
"man, your farts smell like maladroit."

LOL
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: Fantastic Max September 17, 2006, 07:08:32 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 17, 2006, 01:24:05 -08:00
based on Immigration Song, I would love to see Jose write more material for Ozma.
He wrote Yes Dear's "Alright" which is a pretty darn good song.

And I love how he adds a million chords to walk between others, instead of a few-chord rythm. It's nice.
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: Rome September 18, 2006, 12:34:20 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 17, 2006, 01:24:05 -08:00
based on Immigration Song, I would love to see Jose write more material for Ozma.

And based on how well-liked Immigration Song is with Ozma fans, it's really quite appauling that he hasn't gotten another chance.
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: brad September 18, 2006, 11:17:53 -08:00
i never liked immigration song.
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: I like ozma September 18, 2006, 12:38:23 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 17, 2006, 08:18:05 -08:00
Man, weezer fans sure do provide the most insightful and interesting topics for discussion.Ã,  Ã, :P



I like to think that weezer fans can't discuss anything without comparing it to weezer.

"man, this pizza is good in the same way that pinkerton is good."
"my fantasy football team is so succesful, it is like the blue album."
"man, your farts smell like maladroit."


+1
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: CT-700 September 18, 2006, 01:42:18 -08:00
I mean his voice on that song, the dynamics in structure, and you gotta love the 80s esque harmonized guitar interlude Jose and Ryen pull off together after the first verse. Its kinda like "Not only am I going to rock hard on lead vocals, I am going to rock hard on a dual-lead guitar solo too." And then I found the live 12-27-2002 Glass House version for the first time friday night in the repository. I never knew they played it live. What a great time period too. Anyone else have anymore of this show?
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: The Other Mike September 18, 2006, 04:30:17 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 18, 2006, 12:38:23 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 17, 2006, 08:18:05 -08:00
Man, weezer fans sure do provide the most insightful and interesting topics for discussion.   :P



I like to think that weezer fans can't discuss anything without comparing it to weezer.

"man, this pizza is good in the same way that pinkerton is good."
"my fantasy football team is so succesful, it is like the blue album."
"man, your farts smell like maladroit."


+1

I wish I was dead.
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: tis not mike other September 18, 2006, 04:49:01 -08:00
Its not cool to be gothic, Mike.
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: I like ozma September 18, 2006, 05:38:26 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 18, 2006, 04:30:17 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 18, 2006, 12:38:23 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 17, 2006, 08:18:05 -08:00
Man, weezer fans sure do provide the most insightful and interesting topics for discussion.   :P



I like to think that weezer fans can't discuss anything without comparing it to weezer.

"man, this pizza is good in the same way that pinkerton is good."
"my fantasy football team is so succesful, it is like the blue album."
"man, your farts smell like maladroit."


+1

I wish I was dead.

+2
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: jvstin September 18, 2006, 05:47:15 -08:00
anywayz, i wish ozma would just write good ozma songs instead of writing good songs  :D

their not ozma lol
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: kitten September 18, 2006, 08:05:11 -08:00
I don't understand what you mean by "good ozma songs."  If it's a good song and it's written by Ozma, then it is a good Ozma song.  I take your statement mean you'd like them to continue writing the same songs over and over.  Why would they want to pidgeon hole themselves like that?  People change over the years; they mature, have different experiences, learn more about writing music so of course they're going to sound different, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

And on topic, I don't think Daniel = Ozma.  Look at all Dan's other projects.  They don't sound like Ozma, but they do sound like Dan.  It's a collective effort on all their parts.
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: jvstin September 18, 2006, 08:07:12 -08:00
: Marm  September 18, 2006, 08:05:11 -08:00
I don't understand what you mean by "good ozma songs."Ã,  If it's a good song and it's written by Ozma, then it is a good Ozma song.Ã,  I take your statement mean you'd like them to continue writing the same songs over and over.Ã,  Why would they want to pidgeon hole themselves like that?Ã,  People change over the years; they mature, have different experiences, learn more about writing music so of course they're going to sound different, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

And on topic, I don't think Daniel = Ozma.Ã,  Look at all Dan's other projects.Ã,  They don't sound like Ozma, but they do sound like Dan.Ã,  It's a collective effort on all their parts.
is this directed at me?
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: kitten September 18, 2006, 08:08:38 -08:00
The first sentence or so.  Then I suppose I sort of went off on a tangent.
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: jvstin September 18, 2006, 08:11:10 -08:00
: Marm  September 18, 2006, 08:08:38 -08:00
The first sentence or so.Ã,  Then I suppose I sort of went off on a tangent.
oh, i have similar opinions to yours on the first page.
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: kitten September 18, 2006, 08:14:35 -08:00
Heh, I've been internetless for months now.  I didn't bother to read anything other than the first couple of posts and the last couple.
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: Mister_E September 18, 2006, 09:41:45 -08:00
^_^ what is your avatar from?
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: jvstin September 18, 2006, 09:48:07 -08:00
: Mister_E  September 18, 2006, 09:41:45 -08:00
^_^ what is your avatar from?
sorry, i have no idea
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: Not Jason September 18, 2006, 10:47:03 -08:00
: Rome  September 18, 2006, 12:34:20 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 17, 2006, 01:24:05 -08:00
based on Immigration Song, I would love to see Jose write more material for Ozma.

And based on how well-liked Immigration Song is with Ozma fans, it's really quite appauling that he hasn't gotten another chance.

maybe he hasn't wanted to?
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: Fantastic Max September 19, 2006, 01:30:03 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 18, 2006, 10:47:03 -08:00
: Rome  September 18, 2006, 12:34:20 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 17, 2006, 01:24:05 -08:00
based on Immigration Song, I would love to see Jose write more material for Ozma.

And based on how well-liked Immigration Song is with Ozma fans, it's really quite appauling that he hasn't gotten another chance.

maybe he hasn't wanted to?
Either that, or he kinda just let's Ryen/Dan do their thing. He reminds me of George Harrison, yknow..it's hard to just walk up to the main driving force of a band, and be like "Yeah, I got some stuff, wanna listen?" George ended up having a helluva lot of good material.
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: gloom-glaam September 19, 2006, 02:31:10 -08:00
He's my favorite Beatle.
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: Fantastic Max September 19, 2006, 09:19:17 -08:00
: CantelopeSkiz  September 19, 2006, 02:31:10 -08:00
He's my favorite Beatle.
Your mom's my favorite Beatle.

I'm a McCartney fan, myself.
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: Not Jason September 19, 2006, 09:35:19 -08:00
I dunno, any of you guys familiar with Ringo's solo work?

"no no no, I don't *snnnfff* no more, I'm tired of waking up on the floor"

fuckin' genius, bro.
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: I like ozma September 20, 2006, 11:21:00 -08:00
: Fantastic Max  September 19, 2006, 09:19:17 -08:00
: CantelopeSkiz  September 19, 2006, 02:31:10 -08:00
He's my favorite Beatle.
Your mom's my favorite Beatle.

I'm a McCartney fan, myself.

here here
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: gloom-glaam September 20, 2006, 02:02:41 -08:00
: Fantastic Max  September 19, 2006, 09:19:17 -08:00
: CantelopeSkiz  September 19, 2006, 02:31:10 -08:00
He's my favorite Beatle.
Your mom's my favorite Beatle.

I'm a McCartney fan, myself.
Your mom's my favorite sex partner.
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: Fantastic Max September 20, 2006, 03:05:30 -08:00
: Not Jason  September 19, 2006, 09:35:19 -08:00
I dunno, any of you guys familiar with Ringo's solo work?

"no no no, I don't *snnnfff* no more, I'm tired of waking up on the floor"

fuckin' genius, bro.
His only solo song I've ever heard is "Photograph" and I love that song.
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: gloom-glaam September 20, 2006, 05:09:40 -08:00
I've only heard it don't come easy, and it's pretty awesome.
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: I like ozma September 20, 2006, 09:43:19 -08:00
dont pass me by is good. although its a beatles song. and also on let it be naked's "fly on the wall" "carolina" sounds like it would have been an awesome song, but i never heard a real version, unless he recorded it later and ive just never heard it
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: NewYorkerNick September 20, 2006, 09:46:51 -08:00
To reply on the whole argument of who makes ozma... Come on guys ozma makes ozma. It wouldn't be ozma without all of them together expressing their own styles together as one.

...and everyone knows that Kenn Shane MAKES ozma.

:)

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: butterfly September 20, 2006, 11:00:05 -08:00
: NewYorkerNick  September 20, 2006, 09:46:51 -08:00
To reply on the whole argument of who makes ozma... Come on guys ozma makes ozma. It wouldn't be ozma without all of them together expressing their own styles together as one.

...and everyone knows that Kenn Shane MAKES ozma.

:)



kenn shane...dude, listen to the demos and live shows, that man barely make a perfect drum roll at times
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: NewYorkerNick September 21, 2006, 09:28:03 -08:00
I was joking since the drumming in Ozma is pretty basic but I'm sure he feels much better that you said that... dude.
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: FireAarro September 22, 2006, 01:15:54 -08:00
: butterfly  September 20, 2006, 11:00:05 -08:00
: NewYorkerNick  September 20, 2006, 09:46:51 -08:00
To reply on the whole argument of who makes ozma... Come on guys ozma makes ozma. It wouldn't be ozma without all of them together expressing their own styles together as one.

...and everyone knows that Kenn Shane MAKES ozma.

:)



kenn shane...dude, listen to the demos and live shows, that man barely make a perfect drum roll at times

I think he drives the music much more than pat though.. I haven't listened for a while, but I think Kenn has more of a driving style, Pat kinda drags most the time.
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: brad September 22, 2006, 09:22:46 -08:00
kenn does the backups on "i wonder".

thats freakin cool.
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: I like ozma September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer
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: kitten September 22, 2006, 12:02:44 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer

was that a joke?  hipsun is a friend of kenn's.  i'm pretty sure he knows.
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: brad September 22, 2006, 12:19:51 -08:00
it is cool because kenn brings more than just drumming (which pat brought to ozma)

those background vocals are kenn.
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: The Other Mike September 22, 2006, 03:08:15 -08:00
: Marm  September 22, 2006, 12:02:44 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer

was that a joke?

I wouldn't bet on it.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: tis not mike other September 22, 2006, 04:26:09 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 22, 2006, 03:08:15 -08:00
: Marm  September 22, 2006, 12:02:44 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer

was that a joke?

I wouldn't bet on it.
I guess you still dont get I Like Ozma's humor yet. :(
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: The Other Mike September 22, 2006, 04:42:28 -08:00
: =Oatmeal=  September 22, 2006, 04:26:09 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 22, 2006, 03:08:15 -08:00
: Marm  September 22, 2006, 12:02:44 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer

was that a joke?

I wouldn't bet on it.
I guess you still dont get I Like Ozma's humor yet. :(

Oh sure, I get that it was an attempt at a joke, but i don't think it quite qualifies.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma September 22, 2006, 04:43:55 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 22, 2006, 04:42:28 -08:00
: =Oatmeal=  September 22, 2006, 04:26:09 -08:00
: The Other Mike  September 22, 2006, 03:08:15 -08:00
: Marm  September 22, 2006, 12:02:44 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer

was that a joke?

I wouldn't bet on it.
I guess you still dont get I Like Ozma's humor yet. :(

Oh sure, I get that it was an attempt at a joke, but i don't think it quite qualifies.

my no its not was directed at the fact that it is "freakin cool"
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: tis not mike other September 22, 2006, 07:11:43 -08:00
: Marm  September 22, 2006, 12:02:44 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer

was that a joke?  hipsun is a friend of kenn's.  i'm pretty sure he knows.
Ok, I was wrong. I found out what "i like ozma's" opinion was:

He did think that Ken sang backup in the song. He thought it would be cooler if the original backup singers for Daniels ozma songs, Ryen and Jose to, were sing back up rather than Ken.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: brad September 22, 2006, 11:42:22 -08:00
all i was saying was how it was cool that kenn brought another dynamic to the band, rather then just drums.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Not Jason September 23, 2006, 12:36:47 -08:00
: =Oatmeal=  September 22, 2006, 07:11:43 -08:00
: Marm  September 22, 2006, 12:02:44 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 22, 2006, 11:26:04 -08:00
no its not because everyone knows RYEN AND JOSE do daniels backup vocals, not the drummer

was that a joke?Ã,  hipsun is a friend of kenn's.Ã,  i'm pretty sure he knows.
Ok, I was wrong. I found out what "i like ozma's" opinion was:

He did think that Ken sang backup in the song. He thought it would be cooler if the original backup singers for Daniels ozma songs, Ryen and Jose to, were sing back up rather than Ken.

which is what I gathered to begin with, and I still think it's a bit fucked.  What exactly is your reasoning, I Like Ozma, for hating anything Ozma does that is not in strict alignment with what Ozma did before the break up?  Your flimsy arguments about song quality at least make some degree of sense (even if I think you're completely off-base), but not wanting Ken to sing for the sole reason that he never sang on classic ozma songs (for obvious reasons) is a bit lame as shit, in my opinion.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: tis not mike other September 23, 2006, 11:42:23 -08:00
Hey, I dont think he hates Ken singing back up. I think he just brought up the Jose and Ryen doing back ups is cooler becuase that is what he is used to to. I still dont think he minds Kens back up singing, knowing him, I think he just sated that thier back up singing for argumeants sake.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: The Other Mike September 23, 2006, 11:48:50 -08:00
: =Oatmeal=  September 23, 2006, 11:42:23 -08:00
Hey, I dont think he hates Ken singing back up. I think he just brought up the Jose and Ryen doing back ups is cooler becuase that is what he is used to to. I still dont think he minds Kens back up singing, knowing him, I think he just sated that thier back up singing for argumeants sake.

you would think someone who argues for arguments' sake would be better at it.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma September 23, 2006, 12:50:48 -08:00
i dont have any problem with kenn singing BACK UP but when he starts singing lead, then i will have a problem
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: kitten September 23, 2006, 12:53:38 -08:00
would you really?  that's kind of lame.  what if he writes some fantastic songs?  i hope he does just to spite you.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma September 23, 2006, 12:55:25 -08:00
i hope he does too.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Not Jason September 23, 2006, 12:55:56 -08:00
: I like ozma.  September 23, 2006, 12:50:48 -08:00
i dont have any problem with kenn singing BACK UP but when he starts singing lead, then i will have a problem

Remember when Star sang lead on that cover of "Superstar"? Ã, Man, that must have pissed you off a ton, having a non-original member of the band singing lead and having the nerve to bill it as "Ozma". Ã, I still think you're being lame as shit.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma September 23, 2006, 12:57:29 -08:00
yeah i had to go into a mental hospital when that happened. good times
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: butterfly September 24, 2006, 01:31:49 -08:00
i didnt know kenn sang. which song?
...but who does lead, i don't see a problem with that, its more of the music that im concern with
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: tis not mike other October 08, 2006, 10:38:34 -08:00
: butterfly  September 13, 2006, 01:53:37 -08:00
im not sure if i do share the same opinion with anyone, but the way i see it,
daniel = ozma just like how we see rivers = weezer.

i mean, the moment i hear daniel sang straight flush, i tell myself this is an ozma song, but when i hear ryen in barriers...i don't have that same effect in me.

but, that's just my opinion
I really dont think dan equals ozma. However, I think If I had to make the choice of who would write the songs for ozma from now on, jugging judging on their new songs, I would really pick Dan.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: The Other Mike October 09, 2006, 08:07:18 -08:00
: =Oatmeal=  October 08, 2006, 10:38:34 -08:00
: butterfly  September 13, 2006, 01:53:37 -08:00
im not sure if i do share the same opinion with anyone, but the way i see it,
daniel = ozma just like how we see rivers = weezer.

i mean, the moment i hear daniel sang straight flush, i tell myself this is an ozma song, but when i hear ryen in barriers...i don't have that same effect in me.

but, that's just my opinion
I really dont think dan equals ozma. However, I think If I had to make the choice of who would write the songs for ozma from now on, jugging on their new songs, I would really pick Dan.

well if dan plays the jug, who's gonna play the gut-bucket?
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Not Jason October 10, 2006, 07:51:53 -08:00
: The Other Mike  October 09, 2006, 08:07:18 -08:00
: =Oatmeal=  October 08, 2006, 10:38:34 -08:00
: butterfly  September 13, 2006, 01:53:37 -08:00
im not sure if i do share the same opinion with anyone, but the way i see it,
daniel = ozma just like how we see rivers = weezer.

i mean, the moment i hear daniel sang straight flush, i tell myself this is an ozma song, but when i hear ryen in barriers...i don't have that same effect in me.

but, that's just my opinion
I really dont think dan equals ozma. However, I think If I had to make the choice of who would write the songs for ozma from now on, jugging on their new songs, I would really pick Dan.

well if dan plays the jug, who's gonna play the gut-bucket?

Either Jose or Ryen I'm guessing.  Whichever one isn't playing the banjo.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma October 10, 2006, 06:50:22 -08:00
star will play washboard
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Not Jason October 10, 2006, 10:25:02 -08:00
I say we petition Ozma to make these changes.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: FireAarro October 11, 2006, 02:21:03 -08:00
signed
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma October 11, 2006, 09:04:18 -08:00
i second the motion to START the commotion
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: tis not mike other October 11, 2006, 12:26:16 -08:00
Wait!......what about Ken?
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Not Jason October 11, 2006, 06:14:26 -08:00
: =Oatmeal=  October 11, 2006, 12:26:16 -08:00
Wait!......what about Ken?

I was just assuming he'd be taking lead vocals.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma December 09, 2006, 02:07:34 -09:00
im not trying to revive this thread or anything, but in line with the topic

daniel has two songs credited to only him on stbl

come home andrea, and and curve in the old 1-9 (im not sure if light years will burn is) but however, as good of songs those are, IMO they are only a little better than ryens on the album which are
your name, and bad dogs.

however, the only song on the album (that i see anyways {im not sure about light years will burn and wake up}) credited to dan/ryen/and jose is "restart" and IMO it is the best song on the album, so i see every member just as equal as the next because none of them can write a GREAT ozma song on their own
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Elliott December 09, 2006, 03:02:12 -09:00
Good point, too bad their gonna criticize you now.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: CT-700 December 09, 2006, 07:37:27 -09:00
: I like ozma.  December 09, 2006, 02:07:34 -09:00
come home andrea, and and curve in the old 1-9 (im not sure if light years will burn is) but however, as good of songs those are, IMO they are only a little better than ryens on the album which are
your name, and bad dogs.

however, the only song on the album (that i see anyways {im not sure about light years will burn and wake up}) credited to dan/ryen/and jose is "restart" and IMO it is the best song on the album, so i see every member just as equal as the next because none of them can write a GREAT ozma song on their own

I've never been a fan of Curve in the Old 1-9, personally because I do not understand it, which means I can not relate to it. I do infact enjoy Ryen's writing on that album. And yes Restart is possibly the best, yet another fine example of what can happen when Dan/Ryen/Jose are together.  I wouldn't say Ryen/Dan/Jose individually "suck" on their own, just the best songs are the cowritten ones because each member adds their distinct input to it. They are "rounded" off.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Elliott December 09, 2006, 08:14:17 -09:00
He didnââ,¬â,,¢t say they suck individually, he just means that their best songs are done by a team effort. He still thinks their individual songs are good, I think.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: CT-700 December 09, 2006, 08:40:34 -09:00
Yeah I guess I should of phrased that better.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Mikerton December 09, 2006, 10:47:27 -09:00
on a mostly unrelated note:

weezer sucks (has been sucking) without matt sharp  :)
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: The Other Mike December 10, 2006, 03:55:57 -09:00
: Mikerton  December 09, 2006, 10:47:27 -09:00
on a mostly unrelated note:

weezer sucks (has been sucking) without matt sharp  :)

This post is a joke, right?
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma December 10, 2006, 10:43:15 -09:00
why are you asking yourself if your own post is a joke?
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: WhoYouCallinWeez December 10, 2006, 10:53:12 -09:00
just glad that for once it wasnt me that brought up weezer. haha
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Mikerton December 10, 2006, 07:18:44 -09:00
: The Other Mike  December 10, 2006, 03:55:57 -09:00
: Mikerton  December 09, 2006, 10:47:27 -09:00
on a mostly unrelated note:

weezer sucks (has been sucking) without matt sharp  :)

This post is a joke, right?

i wish
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Mikerton December 10, 2006, 07:19:36 -09:00
p.s. if daniel expanded on the stuff he did with contrabrand, i think it would be Samuel.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: I like ozma December 10, 2006, 08:19:56 -09:00
: Mikerton  December 10, 2006, 07:19:36 -09:00
p.s. if daniel expanded on the stuff he did with contrabrand, i think it would be EVEN MORE Samuel.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: kitten December 11, 2006, 07:20:24 -09:00
: I like ozma.  December 10, 2006, 08:19:56 -09:00
p.s.  if you guys had a life, it would be Samuel.
: Re: daniel = ozma ?????
: Mikerton December 11, 2006, 05:26:30 -09:00
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